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Sport ?

Posted by Neil Zone 8 [email] on Thu, Jul 22, 2010

I have a Peace rose bush and another very similar rose bush, in flower, foliage, grafted, ect. but a different rose bush. Normally the buds open yellow and now there is a vivid red bud with yellow
blotch on the petals and the stem is about 18" long. There must be a good reason these roses are grafted, so trying to root a cutting is probably not the way to go. I have two bushes of under stock and I seen the video of the commercial operation of using a clothespin to hold the graft together. I can probably do that and then use one of the rooting methods. It looks like the sport? could cut into eight pieces but should new canes of under stock be used? Also, how likely is this to revert back? If this is really different and not just a weather thing I do not want to mess up. Very inexperienced




Re: Sport ?

Posted by george varden [email] on Thu, Jul 22, 2010

Neil, if you are not experienced in rose budding, perhaps ask a specialist rose nursery that is near to you to do the budding for you.


Re: Sport ?

Posted by Jadae (zone 8b) [email] on Thu, Jul 22, 2010

Peace is often sold own-root as well. I dont recall it being one of the more finicky modern bush rose rooters like, for example, Sue Lawley.


Re: Sport ?

Posted by Neil Zone 8 [email] on Fri, Jul 23, 2010

George,next year I will try budding after everything is prepared and ready, but most likely only as an exercise. This was the year to learn how to grow the seedlings and even tho only partly correct and fighting off rust, black spot, anthacanose, mildew, nemitodes, record breaking rains; at the six month mark one has a one half inch stem and 18" cane with four big flowers and two buds and more canes coming. A lot of the other seedlings are right behind growing an inch a day. 120 plants had flowers the last count. So I do not see what the advantage would be to learn budding to grow seedlings like these. This is a little off the mark George but things around here tend to be a little unorthodox and I'm rather jammed up right now. Jadae, Thanks for the info. I would hope the own root version has the same growth pattern and not end up like Gemini on it's own roots.


Re: Sport ?

Posted by george varden [email] on Fri, Jul 23, 2010

Hi Neil.

Yes, I agree, I also would never bud graft my seedlings, unless one of them was very special indeed, and I wanted mature versions of it fast, (by budding it onto mature a rootstock).

Good luck with propagating your possible sport, I hope it is a nice and stable sport for you!


Re: Sport ?

Posted by Neil Zone 8 [email] on Sat, Jul 24, 2010

After months of looking at dozens of flowers on this rose bush the true bud and flower was unrecognizable till it opened a little more duh. Weather thing and two days without chem trails after eight years and the bees are back. George, there is one candidate of the seedlings for budding. A seedling had a big bud but didn't have enough umph to open and after weeks of peeling thick petals shredding worked best to get to the core which had a segmented mass of more petals. There is growth but no sign of a new cane, so that's it probably for this year and a bud like that would maybe never open with the current root system in place.


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